THE BREAK UP

Andy and Jonathan launched the show together in December of 2019. Watch this episode to learn more about their 7+ year history, what to expect going forward and get first-hand information on the new opportunities coming to improve your business.

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0:45 – Going back to 2015 *when Andy and Jonathan first met*
5:13 – How Jonathan supports *educational content vs. just buying ads*
7:40 – Andy talks about *the beginning of Rocket Roof Show and the current transition*
8:46 – Jonathan introduces *Top Roof Buzz to share years of roofing marketing expertise*
12:42 – Quick recap of new path going forward and how *mutual support will continue*
14:10 – Andy highlights *benefits of having Jonathan’s team handle his company’s marketing*
19:11 – Andy does a teaser of first segment of *Stories from the Old School* and CRU Summit
25:50 – Jonathan provides *fire blast of services offered* and Andy shares *success of his own website*
29:24 – Andy wraps up the episode with *excitement for the future*

Special thanks to Top Roof Marketing. As the first marketing company specializing in commercial roofing, the team behind this company has unparalleled experience on what works. Today, they service 300+ roofing companies throughout the United States. Learn more about them at https://www.toproofmarketing.com or their social feeds @TopRoofBuzz

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Public Adjusting

After serving three decades as a restoration contractor, Jack Hanks decided to make a change in his career. Joining with companies like State Farm, among others, Jack learned the ropes of insurance adjusting. Eventually, he earned his license and started on his own company called Velocity Public Adjusting.

Jack explains, “A public adjuster is an advocate for the policy holder. Making sure they are getting the claim negotiated and paid fairly. Any catastrophe or event needing an insurance claim is the right time to use a public adjuster.” The exception to submitting an insurance claims may be a simple residential claim, in this case an adjuster may not be necessary. Just as you don’t want the IRS doing your taxes, you don’t want the people who hold your policy and paying you to negotiate on your behalf.

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A public adjuster will put a scope of damage together, look over the policy in total, and make sure you are receiving just compensation. The more complex the situation, the more help a public adjuster will be to you.

Velocity Public Adjusting currently has adjusters licensed in 38 states. They do mostly commercial claims, in fact 80% of their work is in the commercial realm. They educate and validate all aspects of the policy and claim to make sure everything is on the up and up. It helps no one to file false or inaccurate claims. They keep it clean.

How to know if you have a claim worth filing?  Three things are needed:  a policy in effect, storm date, and resulting damage.  If one of these 3 is missing, you have no claim. Look for a legitimate storm date within the area including that specific address.  If there is actual damage (not just needed maintenance), and there is a policy with proper coverage, then it’s worth opening up a claim. Velocity takes the time to look for hidden damage as well. If no visible damage is detected, it does not mean the ISO board underneath isn’t suffering moisture from the storm (or some other more-difficult-to-see problem).

Public adjuster training has been growing significantly. Velocity alone has trained nearly 250 public adjusters and roofing contractors in the past 2 years. Jack stresses, “Morals and ethics are a very important part of it. We’re honored to be Public Adjuster of the Year 2021-22. People know when they’re being fed a line, so to be nominated for Adjuster of the year by roofing clients and voted in by those who respect and appreciate you, that is certainly rewarding!”

With skyrocketing property values, make keeping enough coverage an issue. Add supply chain issues for repair work, plus inflation on the products themselves and you have a stressful situation. Deductibles are higher with more exclusions than ever, and most people make the mistake of not knowing what is in their policy or having enough coverage. Let a good public adjuster lighten the burden and advise you with experience and expertise.

The Velocity team is honored to work in your best interest, bringing you the client/policy holder the best result and outcome in the most trying of circumstances.

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Why Commercial?

Mahlon Lee owns All Star Roofing in Hot Springs, Montana, but spent much of his time in residential construction before finding his way into commercial roofing. He handled mostly metal systems while in residential construction but eventually sold that business to invest in a gutters business, where he was successful for three years before moving to Montana.

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With all options in front of him, the Montana weather finally confirmed his decision to focus on Conklin products and commercial roofing in particular.  This uncharted territory felt like a safe leap to him because of the men he trusted who surrounded him and guided him in the process.

All Star Roofing is a family owned and operated business with Mahlon in sales and his sons handling the labor. They strictly keep their season from May 1 to September 30 to protect themselves and their customers. Once Mahlon was persuaded to coat a roof in October but lived to regret it.  He is now always upfront with his clients that after doing a coatings job past September puts their roof at risk for leaks, by chance the product doesn’t dry correctly or freezes in any way. Customers appreciate his honesty and he hasn’t lost any job because of this.

Mahlon definitely prefers his time in commercial roofing because it “is professional people who understand business, and there is more money in commercial with less headache.”  But also wanting to own a farm (it’s in his blood having been raised on a dairy farm), Mahlon bought 200 acres. In 2015, when he got into commercial roofing, he realized “if I don’t find how to manage my money, uncle Sam will get it.” So, he decided to take his earnings and invest in his farm by adding cattle.

Carrying the farming theme even further, sowing seeds through mentoring young guys is very rewarding to Mahlon. He doesn’t mind the competition but actually finds it beneficial.

Balanced Business

In this episode, Andy and Connor discuss having a successful strategy and working plan for your business that allows you to meet your goals. With lots of experience handling growth patterns and a background in tech, Connor knows about application building and delivers valuable information to you during this interesting conversation.

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Connor ran a roofing company and was on the trajectory to scale when he got swooped up to become president of Roofing.com and RoofCon. His methodologies and processes helped many meet their goals. Whether for a cash cow or lifestyle business, Connor guided the plan and how to execute it.  Now, among several other ventures, he is co-founder of Contractor Network and owner of Hardline Solar and Roofing.

Rarely are people both starters and finishers. For the visionary/starter, it is essential to find the right partner to execute the vision. How does someone find the right partner or business approach to help the visionary integrate their ideas, or even the integrator find vision?

Don’t look for a quick fix, adding people to an existing issue only creates more issues. Identify the gap in your business and then make sure the gap is not within your skill set already. Once determined, you can find the person who can actually fill the need.

Regular meetings between an integrator and visionary are essential for communication and implementation of ideas. A good partnership highlights the best parts of each person and respects each role. Eliminate the weaknesses of the business and become more balanced between visionary and integrators to maximize your efforts for success.

Marketing, sales, operations and finance are the four parts of business.  Always look internally first to see if you have someone who can be moved into a needed role first. The entrepreneurial person who is given freedom to “do their own thing” within the company won’t want to leave to start their own thing.  They will be your lead integrators and take charge as needed.

If you’re in a position to take a company over the top, you must take the time to find the right people and bring them in to fill gaps with purpose. Rushing only causes you to do it over again. Great people need great leadership. Slow down to speed up.

Predictable Revenue

This episode covers a wide gamut of topics from roof repair to narcissism (yep, you read that right), but the main conversation focuses on forecasting the future and having predictability in your business. Ryan Grath has attended many roofing conferences over the years. It was at one of these where he first met our host, Andy Near.

Having played professional baseball, Ryan decided to take the data and platform of predictable outcomes and give it a business model.

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His key takeaways for roofers:

  1. Focus on the “client profile” and what is most predictable, the go-to roof repair. You will always be called for repairing leaks. A full replacement is unpredictable, but the most predictable thing is a call to “please fix the leak in our roof”. Have a service model of repairs, but always be ready to discuss replacements and restorations during any visit.
  2. Compensate your salespeople to accommodate selling repairs and maintenance, not just full replacements, and restorations. Even build your business around it as it is so predictable. In a bid environment you have no predictability. Don’t have a mindset of “bid it and forget it”. Repairs are a horse that’s always in the race.
  3. Keep good data. Data over time will help you forecast the future of your business.
  4. Create this predictable revenue machine and when a storm or natural disaster happens, it is an extra boost in the arm and not your business model.
  5. Narcissism is a bit of a problem in the roofing industry. Narcissists can be very charming, charismatic, and driven.  Often in response to not feeling valued or worthy sometime in their life. It affects business when they become “hellbent on doing abc, to make xyz happen” causing relationships to struggle if not fail. If there is a lot of turnover in the company, you might be dealing with a narcissist. Ryan saw these tendencies in himself and chose to change.
  6. Good leaders and salespeople often have some of the same attributes but channel them into a healthy confidence for success, and usually have a genuine heart concern for others. They can also handle rejection well and still persevere.
  7. When you have a good salesperson, give them enough incentive to stay sales focused and not be in a position to get caught up in non-sales related activities. This can be difficult for small businesses as everyone wears many hats.
  8. For smaller businesses who want more sales, be sure to ask enough (and better) questions to a customer/prospect. Learn the prior roofing history, spend extra time on the front end and build a rapport. Relationships grow business.

With Maui being his home, Ryan loves to get outside with his family and calls himself the goofiest at-home dad. Great at conversation and getting people to talk and think more deeply, Ryan’s goal in 2022 is to achieve a different level of leadership.  Learning to raise capital and find investors is a new animal for him. He wants to lead as a true executive and not just an encouraging coach.  His business supports a couple dozen employees, all working remotely. This leaves a wide-open field for finding talent, and forces everyone to be creative.

Ryan says, “The commercial roofing ways of old isn’t going to last.  Level up your game now before everyone has figured it out, because the younger guys coming in know how to brand themselves.”  Step up your professionalism, even dress code and speak well to get to the decision makers. “You will never have a bad return on investment by investing in your knowledge, your systems, and your people. The only bad investment is if you invest outside of your people and don’t see a return.” If your people are happy and stay with you, the impact will be felt.

Ryan will speak at CRU Summit, the upcoming conference at Myrtle Beach. He will build your confidence to know you can achieve. He offers a great spirit of encouragement to overcome challenges and grow your business.

Conference Value

Warren Pavon has seen his share of mistakes on the journey to success, and he wants to save other guys the years of struggle as much as possible. With this in mind he came up with the idea for CRU Summit (Commercial Roofers United Summit). The upcoming conference at Myrtle Beach is discussed in this episode along with more of Warren’s story and business advice.

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On New Year’s Eve 2020, Andy posted questions on his Facebook page, which spurred a discussion that brought in hundreds of responses. One of those was from Warren, which sparked the idea of a conference.

That night Warren posted about his successes and failures over the decades and learning from his mistakes. Now in his mid-fifties, he wants to share with the younger guys how to press through failures and not be overcome with frustration and disappointment.

“Workshops and classes are great but having great conversation with others and hearing of their experience” is even better. Warren says gathering with different men of all walks of life has taught him more than any classroom.  Inspiration and irreplaceable knowledge.

Warren was a runaway kid who became a roofer. Now successful in business, he is ready to share all he has learned and pass it on. Warren’s levelheaded approach, heart for the younger generation, and generous attitude toward helping others had Andy wanting to team up on a business venture.

Despite a temporary setback from covid, it has been a good year for Warren. He “came back with a sword to tear it up with success” and kicked butt in 2021.

The story in a nutshell: Covid shut things down in 2020, he had to lower his insurance coverage, yet the payment increased nine-fold. He learned the hard way that smaller guys are seen as more risk to insurance companies, and when he dropped coverage, he was viewed by them as more likely to have injuries, fires, the wrong paperwork, etc. Typically, a larger company is seen as less risk because of safety protocols.

His advice, “know your numbers no matter what” as the insurance man is coming for you, along with all other expenses. Even a small brothers’ roofing company must know their numbers and market, overhead costs and be prepared no matter the level of operation.

When you give an estimate, make sure it is from your real overhead costs. “If you understand that part of it, you will be fine.  Don’t just throw in a sq. ft. price, cover all costs. It’s like a rolling thing, sometimes you’re under it and sometimes over it, but it just keeps going. You can keep pushing through if you know your line items.”  At the CRU Summit in February, Warren will offer a session on estimates, numbers, margins, job costs and how to break it down.

Andy and Warren invite you to come and contribute to the conference, share your knowledge and learn around the dinner table from the experiences and setbacks of other guys in the industry. The speakers and expos are great, also the time with people running every size of business is invaluable conversation.

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Young Gun

Jacob Lee started with humble beginnings. He helped his family as needed, repairing roofs with his father, and later found a summer roofing job by age 14. At age 16 he knew he could handle roofing full time, and since that point he hasn’t left the industry.

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His successful business serves mostly Ohio and Pennsylvania. His family is in the industry in other parts of the country, so from time to time they enjoy partnering together and traveling for bigger projects.

Though his in-house crew is small, Jacob has a large team of contractors in the area he relies on to help. “A smaller employee base can bring a larger profit margin” and allows him to pay his employees well, while earning a good living himself.  Jacob says, “when you pay your workers better, you get the best, a much higher caliber person.”

Sticking with commercial roofing and liquid applied systems, Jacob finds the commercial customer is usually easier to work with. “If you build a good relationship of trust with a building owner, they will remain loyal and depend on you to fix their problems. You can also afford to give them the royal treatment because of the profit margin.”

Going from residential to commercial requires a change in your training and marketing strategy. You cannot count on referrals as much as you can with residential customers.  Gaining manufacturer relationships is part of the overall picture as well. Those vendors you choose, ask them for guidance on their products. Companies will often provide training and help you gain knowledge about the system. Get good at one system as you transition into commercial then expand into other areas. Find someone who has already done what you want to do (whatever system you choose) and ask for help.

Jacob and his team are big fans of liquid applied. He encourages you to “start with a lot of service calls. Scratch the itch of the leak or problem bothering the person about their roof”. This allows you to gain experience as well. And don’t be afraid to reach out to other contractors to help you fix a problem you don’t know how to fix; most people are happy to share their knowledge.

A fluid-applied system is great for restoring the existing membrane, but sometimes it simply won’t work, and you have to say no to a liquid applied approach and fully replace. If the building owner trusts you from your repair work, they will believe you when it’s truly time for a full replacement.

The “fake it until you make it” mindset only goes so far. Always show confidence and let the building owner know you will do your research and get back to them with the right solution. Be professional. In a world of social media stars, you stand out when you are sincere and authentic. “They see you as secure and real and not trying to be something you’re not.”

Be creative and turn the negative into a positive. Explain to the customer they are helping you grow by letting you work on something you may not have as much experience with, but in return they will receive the best customer service because you want to get it right and earn their trust.  Most communication is nonverbal body language, so show no bull; the customer will smell it.

Let’s Get to Business is Jacob’s podcast where he enjoys conversations about biblical principles in business. “It is not unbiblical for a Christian to earn a good living; this enables you to share more as you become a good steward with your finances. Treat your customers very well and you will reap what you sow. Faithfulness in small things can bless you in larger things.” Ultimately, Jacob wants to help others from poor and humble backgrounds become successful. “It’s thrilling to me to help people with no experience and help them get started in business.”

Sub Use or Abuse

Amidst weather challenges and a shorter season, Adam Sand runs a very successful roofing company in Alberta, Canada. Intrigued by posts Adam had written on subcontractors and how they are viewed, used, and sometimes abused, Andy Near knew a frank discussion on the subject was overdue. So here it is on this episode of the Rocket Roof Show.

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Let’s be honest… is it ethical to sell a roof claiming to be the expert and “throwing the guy on Craig’s List under the bus” as illegitimate, but then turn around and subcontract that same roofer for the job after you made 20% profit just for making that sale?

This pertinent issue is not often considered an abuse or infringement of the rights of these sub-contractors, but perhaps it should be. When businesses want to reduce liability, they sometimes layer insurances. This leaves out these subcontractors who work to support the operations of the business.

This racket is going away as the power is moving toward the laborer. Socialist policies may be eliminating bad bosses and bad working conditions, but if someone is being given government funds to meet their basic needs, employees can simply choose to not work at all.

The option to stay home and still have your needs met poses an interesting dynamic. Workers may become lazy and unmotivated while bosses are pushed to become better. A good business owner takes genuine interest in the wellbeing of their employees, they consider their capabilities and provide opportunities. This is perhaps a self-correcting mechanism which keeps the business owners in check for better leadership, and employees who take advantage of the opportunities can prosper well.

Another prevalent issue is that subcontractors who mainly focus on grunt work aren’t taught to be great leaders themselves. Workers under poor leadership are often uninspired, unmotivated, and therefore may not care about the quality of their work as much. In more extreme situations, workers might leave the job or leave the industry altogether because they don’t want to turn into “that” guy – another bad boss.

The roofing industry can produce a billion-dollar company just by plain math. Being in 10 markets with 5,500 customers per market and $18,000 in revenue for each roof serviced – this simply adds up to a billion-dollar company. This is not unattainable by any means, but you have to watch out for the tech players who come in and disrupt complete industries (like Uber did with the cab industry) pushing all players to do better and provide better value.

Clearly illegal immigration, socialist policies and government handouts are greatly affecting the labor force. Lack of leadership skills are not attracting people to work hard or come under tutelage, and income handed out by governments is enough to survive on damaging incentive. Unions make it so you can’t easily hire and fire as needed. Possibly the only way forward is to make sure you take care of and consider the aspirations of your employees. Show them a broader success pathway by keeping their personal and professional goals in mind.

It is no sin to use subcontractors occasionally and appropriately. If you need to subcontract part of a project, then be open and honest. A good leader wants regular employees, while a weak leader often wants only subs, Adam states. And even though you may feel that more work goes into developing a company and developing yourself as a leader, the only way to sustain in the industry is taking good care of your good workers.

DIY Blogging

In this practical tips episode, host Andy Near and guest Tim Brown focus on blog posts.  Tim has written more than 500 blog posts for his company but is not suggesting you need to do the same. He says, “Feel free to outsource it to a marketing company.”  Either way, start blogging.

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Tune in to first hear a recap the events of RoofCON 2021 where keynote speaker John Maxwell delivered his reliable uplifting leadership message, fitting to the theme of leadership and legacy of the convention.

As Andy and Tim continue the conversation, Tim explains, a blog is some form of writing on your website that gives more targeted information to visitors, hopefully brings profitable traffic and gets people hooked on your content.  The ideal length of a blog is typically between 400-800 words.

Picture a sales funnel with the top as awareness and the bottom as the sale.  In between, you can answer numerous questions perfect for blog posts.  Find out what questions your salespeople are being asked on a regular basis. If people are asking, then answer those questions in a blog.

What is being discussed within your industry?  Some posts will be basic, others more detailed or forward thinking.  A good blog is written with keyword research planned out and a topic of interest to those you want to reach.  There are many ways to approach it but creating lists and bullet points that are succinct is often a good strategy.

Post in clusters not just one and done.  For instance, consider the topic of roof maintenance. This is easily written about in several different articles.  One blog could discuss the benefits of routine maintenance (lower repair costs, less damage), the next detail damage risk when a problem is left with no inspection, and another post explain programs you offer or the importance of preparing for winter.  So many subtopics to choose from!

Helpful tools like Ahrefs.com or Semrush.com determine keywords that have good traffic.  It really is as simple as “come up with an idea, type that idea into a Google search and see the top keyword suggestions pop-up.”  Put those suggestions in the tool to see how each one is ranking and now you know how much demand there is to learn about those topics.

It’s usually better to find what others are already searching for and expand on it rather than try to create demand; though, there is a reason to write about something that you don’t know its rankings or interest to others, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

Be sure to spend time on the title of your blog and use powerful words to capture attention and add value.  Using words like free, new, instantly, and adding brackets or numbers (7 ways to….) intrigue the reader.  Grammar, spelling and the mechanics of writing should not intimidate you it is easy to check your writing online.  Providing value is more important than being perfect.  If you make a mistake just correct it.

Have a strong first paragraph and make the article easy to read.  Allude to a main piece of information in the beginning but save it to the end to keep them hooked.  Begin by asking a provocative question or exposing a myth.  Include statistics and graphs where applicable to further encourage others utilize your posts and link to them.

Go through your blog one last time before posting and be sure your main point is in the title. Post your blog and add it to your social media accounts to maximize visibility.

Finally, what is the reason to write about something even if you don’t know the keyword rankings or if the topic has any interest?   It’s content YOU wish you could find when searching online.

If you’re thinking of it probably several others are as well so put it out there, you may be surprised by the traffic generated because finally someone wrote about THAT!  Because you started the conversation and presented the topic in an accurate and valuable way, your blogs may become the must-read content of a trusted expert.

 

Scaling Challenges

Don’t miss this episode of the Rocket Roof Show!  Dynamic and full of wisdom, Kimba Garcia shares how she went from hairstylist and single mom to meeting husband Robbie and creating a multimillion-dollar business.

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Robbie was rappelling down skyscrapers and hanging billboards when he met Kimba.  Both were making a comfortable living, but he was always traveling and keeping their newly blended family together was the goal.  So, they made the decision for Robbie to leave his job and live on one income while he started working in construction.  The mindset was “pay the bills and be together.”

Their construction business began somewhat naively; it wasn’t long before Kimba realized she had to learn business, or it would run her over.  Communication skills came easily as a hairstylist, but business knowledge had a learning curve.  One million dollars in revenue passed through the company the first year with no significant idea of where it went.  This fact caused Kimba to walk away from the salon and join RKG full time.  Leading and developing a functioning business machine became her new goal.

By reading and listening to podcasts, Kimba taught herself through the knowledge of others.  Once she had more business understanding, it became clear that personal development was needed to lead the team well.   As the company was poised for growth, it became even more important to understand the paperwork and have proper photos, documents and safety protocols in place.

Kimba found coaches along the way for everything from accountability to finding internal balance.  Learning she is someone who will persevere and not quit, Kimba also learned that self-talk matters.  Coaches helped her know this inner power and see that she is adequate for each task because she is willing to learn what she doesn’t know.   Not afraid of a challenge, Kimba tells herself “I can do this,” instead of pondering who am I to think I can do this.  Though admittedly she says, “no, I was not up to the challenge” of starting a new company and “if I had known how hard it was going to be I might not have done it,” but she and Robbie were determined to keep their family together so if it meant eating beans and ramen noodles that’s what they would do.  This was the focus when deciding to start and scale a company.

“We either get better or worse but sitting still is not an option.  This is why we scaled, we are going to grow it, or it falls apart.”  Robbie and Kimba want to teach others and be successful for themselves and others.  Team members have left long-term careers to be with RKG; they take this responsibility seriously.

Time efficiency is credited for making it all work.  Utilizing children’s sports practice for listening to audiobooks, doing yoga at 6am, and delegating; it all adds up to keeping the machine working.

Kimba takes notes from every book because “authors are giving you their most important knowledge and information in their books.” Don’t get trapped thinking you don’t have time or have to learn the hard way.  You’re going to learn one way or the other; either to not make mistakes or by cleaning up after your mistakes, but the most tactical things are in books.  A book is inexpensive while it might be thousands for a good coach.  Prioritize reading and invest in yourself.

Kimba struggled most with tracking numbers, bookkeeping, and gathering data correctly.  Today, she enjoys this part of the business and finds it becomes a story and pattern that is easy.  She tracks every lead, where it comes from, if it’s closed, and keeps on top of the cash flow so no unexpected crunches hit.  “I used to say, I’m a people person. I don’t like the numbers. But now, I like the numbers because I understand the numbers protect the people and are the key element of the business.”

Delegate when necessary. The owner should not have sole responsibility or be the single point of success or failure.  And it is equally important to set your people up for success and not failure.  Make job descriptions clear and allow them to utilize best strengths.  This was how their new general manager was found.  Kelly had a successful career for which RKG was a vendor.  Kimba recognized in Kelly the key strengths she wanted in the GM and recruited her.

Kimba gave great tips for developing positions and hiring staff, writing down all that needs to get done in the company, breaking those things into departments, breaking the departments into jobs/positions and then qualifying what are the best personalities for the positions.  Design your avatar or ideal person for each position and seek them out.  Often the best people are recruited not hired.

The only regret may be losing someone that was a high achiever because of the company culture at the time.  Thankfully, no one has left over profit or production failures but often “the people responsible for cancer in your culture are not the people who create it, it’s the people who tolerate it.”

The future is exciting at RKG as team leaders build their own teams and the company expands into solar.  Nothing frightens Kimba and Robbie. They believe in their abilities and team and know that if things break along the way, they will find the solution to fix them!